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Offline Daily News

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Aucklanders get chance to grill candidates
« on: 09 Oct 11, 04:50:pm »
With just a month and a half until the election, the Gay Auckland Business Association is giving glbt Auckland voters the chance to grill politicians on the issues they hold dear.

This Thursday at the Langham Hotel electoral candidates will outline their vision for the community, as well as any broader issues, heading into the general election.

The GABA Electoral Forum has been a staple of every major election for nearly 20 years and candidates already confirmed include National's Nikki Kaye and Claudette Hauiti, Labour's Jacinda Ardern and Charles Chauvel, Kevin Hague from the Greens, as well as representatives from Act, United Future, Mana and The Maori Party.

Speakers will be invited to address the audience for up to seven minutes before taking questions from the floor; and being given a right of reply to any points raised by other speakers.

Entrance is by koha of $5 with any profits going to The GABA Charitable Trust. In previous years, events have been packed so early attendance is advised.

Rainbow Wellington is holding an electoral forum the night before Auckland's, on Wednesday 12 October from 6PM at Wellesley Boutique Hotel.

The speakers confirmed so far are Kevin Hague (Greens), Charles Chauvel (Labour), Paul Foster-Bell (National candidate for Wellington Central) and Peter Dunned (United Future). ACT and the Maori Party are planning on sending representatives, but have not yet confirmed who.

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Re: Aucklanders get chance to grill candidates
« Reply #1 on: 09 Oct 11, 05:50:pm »
For the GABA event, Thursday 13th October, 7-9pm The Langham Hotel, 83 Symonds Street.  Doors open 6pm.

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Re: Aucklanders get chance to grill candidates
« Reply #2 on: 13 Oct 11, 12:22:am »
Confirmed candidate line-up is as follows:

National:  Nikki Kaye and Claudette Hauiti (Jacinda Aderne will still attend as a non-speaker)
Labour:  Maryan Street and Charles Chauvel
Greens:  Kevin Hague
Act:  Peter Seymour
United Future: Damian Lightfoot
Mana:  Sue Bradford

Maori Party TBC.

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Wellington chance to grill candidates
« Reply #3 on: 13 Oct 11, 10:24:pm »
According to the Stuff website

"AN ACT candidate has launched an attack on two gay Labour MPs, accusing them of covering up homophobia in their party.

The row has broken out after a Rainbow Wellington meeting last night in which Wellington Central candidate Stephen Whittington said Labour MPs Clayton Cosgrove and Trevor Mallard called Attorney-General Chris Finlayson ''Tinkerbell.''

Party colleagues Grant Robertson and Charles Chauvel, who were both at the meeting, denied Mallard and Cosgrove are homophobic.

This morning Whittington, who is running against Robertson, called on the pair to ''denounce the homophobic comments of their Labour Party colleagues rather than shamelessly attempt to cover them up.''

The stoush comes in the same week that Chauvel accused National's allies of trying to portray him as a ''devious, gay, rich prick.''

Whittington said: ''Both Clayton Cosgrove and Trevor Mallard are recorded in Hansard as abusing Hon Chris Finlayson for his sexuality...I hope that, in the future, Charles Chauvel and Grant Robertson are as quick to reprimand their colleagues for homophobia as they were to accuse me of lying."

But Robertson said Whittington had introduced the subject into the debate and was trying to divert attention from anti-gay comments made by its Epsom candidate John Banks.

Banks, a former National minister,  once said that "six inches of barbed wire shoved up gay mens' arses" was "a waste of barbed wire".

Robertson said Whittington first mentioned the Tinkerbell comments in his opening address '' which nobody said anything about.''

''Then ...he was asked a question about ...John Banks...In his response, he said there are homophobic Labour MPs.''

Robertson said he denied this ''because I don't believe there are.''

He added: ''Of course I don't think it's a good thing for Labour MPs to call Chris Finlayson Tinkerbell. It's silly statement. Just as it was for Tau Henare to give a prepared speech when he talked about Driving Miss Daisy with Charles Chauvel.

''I would not endorse them at all.''

He said it was ''a wind up'' by Whittington.  ''With all due respect Stephen I suspect I know more about homophobia than he does.''

Finlayson said: "There's no point denying these things happen. It is important to acknowledge and confront that kind of behaviour, and learn from it."

In July 2009, during a debate on the Inquires Bill, Cosgrove twice called Finlayson ''Tinkerbell.''  Finlayson retorted ''Mr Combover.''

Then in October 2009, Mallard shouted across the House at Finlayson ''Tinkerbell, can you settle down?''

Chauvel believes he is the focus of personal attacks and ''dirty politics'' because internal polling shows him ahead in the ahead in the Ohariu electorate.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/5781365/Labour-accused-of-homophobia-cover-up

Pretty ridiculous name calling from the party which allowed its MP Stephen Franks try to get sexual orientation removed from the Human Rights Act in 2004.

Mallard's not a homophobe.  I don't think Cosgrove is either.  Name calling in Parliament is unfortunately as common as name calling in a school playground, and just as stupid. If people have spare time they could troll through Hansard and come up with a juicy range of names thrown by most MPs at some stage in their lives as MPs.
http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/PB/Debates/Debates/

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Re: Aucklanders get chance to grill candidates
« Reply #4 on: 14 Oct 11, 04:27:pm »
However it's a much worse look for Labour because of the way the two main parties are perceived.

National is perceived as being homophobic - or at least having homophobic MPs, whereas Labour is not
The queers who are going to vote National accept this homophobia but don't prioritize this trait, rather they prioritize other issues (like no capital gains or less spending on welfare - there are lots of queens who will vote for National for reasons like this)
However, some of the queers who are voting Labour are voting for the party specifically because of its record on gay/lesbian issues and because it is not perceived as being homophobic, events like this (and Damien O'Connor's infamous 'gaggle of gays' comment) breakdown this perception and can lead voters (already hesitant because of an unpopular leader) to shift their vote to another party

Moral of the story - if you're straight don't expect to be able to call a gay guy a fairy unless you're happy to be seen as a homophobe.
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Re: Aucklanders get chance to grill candidates
« Reply #5 on: 15 Oct 11, 01:37:am »
Yeah, if you're going to insult Finlayson, insult his apparent self-loathing of his gayness and unwillingness to advocate for gay rights issues.

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Re: Aucklanders get chance to grill candidates
« Reply #6 on: 15 Oct 11, 09:46:am »
Yeah, if you're going to insult Finlayson, insult his apparent self-loathing of his gayness and unwillingness to advocate for gay rights issues.

Sometimes I do wish this forum had a 'like' button...
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Re: Aucklanders get chance to grill candidates
« Reply #7 on: 15 Oct 11, 01:32:pm »
Yeah, if you're going to insult Finlayson, insult his apparent self-loathing of his gayness and unwillingness to advocate for gay rights issues.

Rather a stupid comment. No different from the ignorant 'non-homophobic' remark of Mallard.....
Where is the connection between a loathing for gay rights and self-loathing???? 
Your comment is precisely what puts people intelligent gays and lesbians off from expressing any sympathy for gay rights, or voicing any interest.

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Re: Aucklanders get chance to grill candidates
« Reply #8 on: 15 Oct 11, 02:14:pm »
He's been pretty uncomfortable with acknowledging he's gay basically the entire time that it's been known that he's gay.
Then he won't speak up about homophobia in his party (why the fuck a gay person would vote for National is beyond me, let along stand as a candidate for them [1]), and has no interest in advancing gay rights issues, apparently because he won't benefit from them or he wants to stay high on the party list or deep down he doesn't want to be gay so he won't do anything that would actually draw attention to his gayness.
He's an awful role model for gay people.

Thankfully we have had some gay politicians of integrity who have worked hard to support human rights in this country.

[1] And Finlayson is apparently highly intelligent too. It makes no sense. At least with Hauiti it's pretty clear she's got no idea what she's talking about based on her comments on public record.

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Re: Aucklanders get chance to grill candidates
« Reply #9 on: 15 Oct 11, 03:04:pm »
"gay politicians of integrity" = Chris Carter..................LMAO

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Re: Aucklanders get chance to grill candidates
« Reply #10 on: 15 Oct 11, 03:13:pm »
A gay person would vote National because what hangs between their legs and where they put it for sexual gratification has nothing to do with what they believe is best, politically, for the country.

You are welcome to waving your rainbow flag waving if you feel it makes you a good socialist, but such posturing means little outside this forum, thank goodness.

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Re: Aucklanders get chance to grill candidates
« Reply #11 on: 15 Oct 11, 03:23:pm »
Yeah, if you're going to insult Finlayson, insult his apparent self-loathing of his gayness and unwillingness to advocate for gay rights issues.

Like!

I've heard that Finlayson prefers to act on his "gayness" outside of NZ where liaisons with younger men are more discreetly handled. 

After the incident some years back when a married National MP was involved with a young rent boy who took his credit card, I think this lot try to keep their affairs out of the public eye.  Calum can probably share details about the "Priscilla incident" if The Divine Mistress Potplant is interested.   ;)

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Re: Aucklanders get chance to grill candidates
« Reply #12 on: 15 Oct 11, 03:47:pm »
[1] And Finlayson is apparently highly intelligent too. It makes no sense.

It makes perfect sense - he's catholic. This Sunday Star Times article describes the situation:

"But others who know him say that Catholicism's traditional hostility to homosexuality has meant the issue "has caused him a lot of torment". Perhaps, suggested one friend, his solution has been to renounce sex altogether."

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-star-times/features/3752691/The-man-in-the-middle

Let's face it, catholic faggots are fucked in the head.
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Re: Aucklanders get chance to grill candidates
« Reply #13 on: 15 Oct 11, 03:53:pm »
There is something tragically sad about tired old gay socialists who would prefer we still lived in a ghetto....oh well you have a choice, vote Labour if you must and continue sit on the side-lines whingeing.
The alternative is accepting that as gays and lesbians we are part of a wider community.
And there we have it.....more expressions of abusive inarticulacy....freakishly fascinating bunch you socialists.

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Re: Aucklanders get chance to grill candidates
« Reply #14 on: 15 Oct 11, 04:43:pm »
On Chris Carter: there's a reason I said *some* gay politicians of integrity. I'm glad he's been exiled to Siberia.

MA said: "A gay person would vote National because what hangs between their legs and where they put it for sexual gratification has nothing to do with what they believe is best, politically, for the country."

Firstly, I'm hardly a tired old gay socialist. I'm only 28, and you appear to have an odd idea of what socialism is (like most National voters terrified of the left). Apparently socialism is a system of government where gay people get equal rights and wave rainbow flags and not a system of government where the means of production are communally or state controlled.

Secondly, I'm voting Green, not Labour, on the grounds they have the best economic plan for the country (comprehensive CGT and not selling our money making assets, in particular) and they consistently promote excellent socially liberal policies.

The problem with National is that they believe that based on what hangs between your legs and where you put it for sexual gratification means that you should be treated as a second class citizen with less rights than other people who do things according to their rules. Voting National and being gay means accepting that you should have less rights than other people.
It's completely idiotic of you to claim that providing gay people with equal rights that give them the same opportunity as other people is ghettoising them, whilst denying them those rights is somehow not. Basically, you completely inverted the reality of the situation. Conservative politics makes homosexuals second class citizens, not socialist politics.
It would seem you would rather homosexuality not be accepted in society, that queer youth continue to be bullied, that homosexuals not be allowed to marry or adopt. Those things will only be fixed by the activism that you so despise- the same activism that got homosexuality legalised, and no longer considered a mental illness, the same activism that got homosexuals protected under the human rights act.
People who go around being quiet about their sexuality so they don't rock the boat and so they fit in with heteronormative expectations make things worse for gay people. People like Darren Hughes and Chris Finlayson bring problems on themselves by being hush hush about their sexuality. People who go to the extreme of hypocrisy, and pretend that they don't have sex with men by covering their rent boy activity behind a screen of a straight marriage with kids actively make things worse for everyone else who is bisexual, gay or transgendered. Worse still, some of these people actively campaign against gay rights in positions of authority in conservative parties, religious organisations and secular hate groups. Those people are the ones who ghettoise the gays, not socialists.
Socialists just want everyone to have equity of opportunity. That includes gays.

Essentially the only reason you can support social-conservative politics is if you want your type of gays (the type that tries to pretend they are heterosexual at every opportunity, so they can get heterosexual white male privilege) to have more opportunity than other gays (you know, those who don't want to have to pretend they are heterosexual at every opportunity, or they aren't male, or they aren't white or elsewise lack privilege).
Which, you know, is fine- you're call if you want your type of person to be treated better than other people. But just be honest that you're a selfish prat and don't be disingenuous about it and try and pretend like Socialists are Rounding Up The Gays and putting them into some kind of Fag Gulag whenever people (socialists or otherwise) campaign for gay rights instead of sitting around doing nothing about it.