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Tutorial on how to use picture styles to increase the dynamic range of the Canon 7D / 5DMkII.

Custom picture styles are an amazing feature that almost compensate for the lack of a raw codec for video capture on the Canon DSLRS. The default picture styles on the camera are geard towards producing nice results out of the box but are not very good if you intend to do color correction and grading in postprocessing. This tutorial shows how to use custom picture styles that produce very flat, high dynamic range footage (similar to real film cameras).

The actual picture styles have been made by other people, and here are some references:
Super Flat, Genesis Panalog and Velvia:
cinema5d.com/​viewtopic.php?f=14&t=3401

Marvel's Cine Style:
marvelsfilm.wordpress.com/​2009/​10/​19/​canon-7d-picture-style-with-cine-gamma-s-curve-free-download/​

If you have problems downloading them, you can get them from here in one package (crnkovic.org/​video/​picture_styles.zip). I do however recommend that you get them from the original sources and read the forum posts/blog posts associated with them.

The final example footage was shot handheld (Zacuto rapid fire + zfinder) at Skogskyrkogården cemetery in Stockholm. I scouted the place for a possible future shoot and the footage I shot was never meant for release - it did however come handy in this tutorial as it was all shot using the super flat picture style.

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  • Dave 2 years ago
    Haha, EXCELLENT tutorial! Thanks for making it available for download!

    Also, I'm jealous you got your hands on a Z-Finder before they got sold out, how do you like it so far?
  • Luka plus 2 years ago
    Thanks :)

    The Z-Finder's great - I just got it a few days ago. It really makes handheld shooting much easier. You can almost focus properly with it when using a fast lens - the limitation being the low resolution of the 7D LCD. A lot of the benefit is simply ergonomic - the shape of the camera becomes much more suitable for shooting video.
  • iamkalaniprince plus 8 months ago
    Nice : ) I'm pretty happy with the DR I'm getting out of the 5D2 as well. Similar workflow.

    Thanks for the tutorial!
    DR TEST : vimeo.com/​6921209
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  • Eric Brownrout plus 2 years ago
    Very entertaining and informative.

    Also, very nice grading there at the end.

    Eric
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  • RogerB1 plus 2 years ago
    Thanks I am saving this. Very useful.
    And very well done ! :o)
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  • Muncheys 2 years ago
    Finally, I understand what you need to do to grade properly. Thank you for the great tutorial!
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  • PrepShootPost plus 2 years ago
    Nice f'ing job Luka. Thanks for that clear, fun and honest tutorial.
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  • Krishna Yalla 2 years ago
    thank god someone cares about dynamic range! Do you think if they released a raw video codek with a higher bit rate that we will get even more dynamic range and less tearing with color grading?
  • Luka plus 2 years ago
    Absolutely. That would be ideal. From tests that I've seen the 7D has a effective dynamic range of 8-8.5 Fstops. A RED One has an effective range of about 9 Fstops. So they are very close with the 7D being much better in low light.. All we are missing is a raw codec.

    The picture styles are however a fairly good stop-gap measure. It's not nearly as elegant or easy to work with as raw but in most cases it gets the work done.
  • olivier auverlau 2 years ago
    Hi LUKA , i will receive my 7D nxt week and will shoot a comercial AD spot with it ...
    I have idea use the HDMI output of the 7D directly to my HD I/O AJA converter and output a MUCH better codec image (almost uncompress HD 10bits ... ) did you think it can work ?
    i am from the Film world .... and don t test yet any 7D , i am belgian Dp living in Ecuador .... first 7D i the country will be mine .

    Bests, Olivier .
  • Luka plus 2 years ago
    Possibly. See Eduard Schneider comment below. The problem is that the HDMI output is not quite full resolution and it is interlaced.
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  • Jamie Muir 2 years ago
    Does noobody thinks that although you now have changed the dynamic range your images just looked too highly saturated and no more cinematic. I am happy with my camera's output when i controll the lighting. Just a thought.
  • Luka plus 2 years ago
    Well, the grading in the video is more of a demo of to what extremes you can go without the image quality being ruined by noise. From the super flat profile it is not difficult to reproduce the standard canon profile. You just increase contrast, clip the whites and crush the blacks and you're there.
  • Lens Flair Media 1 year ago
    Yeah, Jamie I also thought the grading examples at the end were over saturated and contrasty. Original footage looked better, more cinematic.
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  • Jamie Muir 2 years ago
    Btw I realise you are trying to achieve a more raw image with more information to edit with but the camera's compression is the main difference between the 5d/7D and red (isn't it).
  • Luka plus 2 years ago
    Yes, the main difference is in the codec. It's not the compression per se that is problematic but the fact that a relatively small section of the raw sensor data is used for the compressed output.

    There is also the issue of aliasing that the 7D has and the red is free of. The downsampling from 18 MP to 2 MP isn't exactly brilliant. Most people won't notice it unless you point it out but it can be problematic in sharp focus wide shots.
  • Shane Nassiri 2 years ago
    Also the speed of the sensor and data compression, greatly exaggerating the "jello" effect of CMOS sensors. Yes, Red has it, but no where near as bad as 5d/7d.

    As far as downsampling, the problem is that Canon doesn't do a true downsample (would require too much processing power). Instead it simply throws away lines of resolution, resulting in aliasing.

    Good video, thanks for the info!
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  • Peter Dybowski 2 years ago
    Nice and smart tutorial :) great job on Steve :)
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  • oren krimchansky 2 years ago
    YOU MADE ME LAUGH! AND YOU GAVE ME LOT OF INFO!
    THANKS!
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  • Ali Afghah 2 years ago
    I love that Steve part very much ... thanks for the information ... and I hope you see the light like me to switch to Mac!
  • Luka plus 2 years ago
    Hehe.. I am a partial Mac user - my laptop is actually a Macbook Air, but it's too weak for video editing. I do the serious stuff on the PC but I do love the MBA. When it comes to video editing, you have Adobe on both platforms so there is very little difference in practice...
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  • Andrew Reyna 2 years ago
    You're freaking cool.
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  • Sasha Fornari plus 2 years ago
    dude this is awesome. thanks so much for posting this!!!
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  • Boz 2 years ago
    Nice! Thanks for the informative (and funny) video. I hate to ask, since it looks like you have used them already... the picture styles that were created for 5D work without problems on the 7D?
  • Luka plus 2 years ago
    Thank you :) No problems with 5D presets. They work like a charm.
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  • Make Some Tea plus 2 years ago
    made my laugh. big time. .... baboons?... wtf. anyway, thanks so much for sharing, Luka. people like you change the world to be a better place... to make movies.
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  • Tracey Lee 2 years ago
    Very entertaining! I just loaded and tried the Super Flat and was amazed at how much color from the sky I could get without darkening the rest of my image. Thanks!
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  • Krs plus 2 years ago
    made me laugh, Thanks for the tutorial and the sharing!
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  • Matt Choules 2 years ago
    Good tutorial matey... No doubt I will be linking people to this in the future. Oh, and thanks for the link to the profiles...
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  • Brandon Chapman 2 years ago
    Thanks a lot.
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  • Pepe Benitez 2 years ago
    Thank you.
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  • Neal Carroll 2 years ago
    Dude high five for the humor!
  • Luka plus 2 years ago
    Thank you, although I must admit that I'm a bit disturbed by the number of people that seem to share my infantile sense of humor ;-)
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  • infoPimps.Rakesh plus 2 years ago
    Excellent work man, thnx for the info :)
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  • Mike Panganiban 2 years ago
    Luka, just wondering if the EOS utility is available to download. Actually out of town right now and don't have my disc, so I want to give this a go somehow.
  • Luka plus 2 years ago
    I don't think so - or at least I failed to find it. My first impulse was to download the latest version and install it but had no choice in the end other than to install it from the CD.
  • Dmitry Korochkin 2 years ago
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  • Thanks! Very nice tutorial!
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  • Dale Kamp plus 2 years ago
    Very funny and informative. Thank you!
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  • Kenn Michael plus 2 years ago
    Excellent video!
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  • Justin Heaney plus 2 years ago
    My new 7D just got more special :-)
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  • John Spirou 2 years ago
    can i do something similar with my canon 500d ?
  • Luka plus 2 years ago
    Sorry, no idea.
  • From what I have read this will work for the 500D. More to follow as I am going to try it out tonight when I get home. I will also add image priority and see how that works as well if not already in as a preset.
  • Andreas Eliseussen 1 year ago
    Yes, it's the exact same menu in picture style, maybe a little late reply..
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  • The Upthink Lab plus 2 years ago
    Thanks for the excellent resource!

    I also recommend the following article for any 5D/7D user.

    marvelsfilm.wordpress.com/​2009/​10/​10/​canon-7d-noise-and-iso-test/​
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  • ryan brown 2 years ago
    Yeah... good stuff here! Uploading now...

    On another note, what did you use to grade the footage at the end???
  • Luka plus 2 years ago
    Thanks. I used Magic Bullet Looks.
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  • Video Surf Guide 2 years ago
    Hey Luka,

    Thanks! Great info!
    I'd like to ask how you are converting the 7D .mov files for editing on PC? I've been searching all day for a solution...

    Thanks for your time!!
  • Luka plus 2 years ago
    Thank you. Actually in this case I'm not. Up until this video I have been converting to Canopus HQ or Cineform HQ codecs. I recently discovered however that I could use the mov files directly without performance problems (In Premiere CS4 at least). It is however on a fairly strong machine though (Core i7 975 CPU, Nvidia GTX 295).

    On a weaker machine, Canopus or Cineform are the best choices, the latter being cheaper (Cineform Neoscene will set you back about €100 if I remember correctly). Canopus produces slightly larger files - both Cineform and Canopus take up about two times the space of the h264 mov files.
  • Video Surf Guide 2 years ago
    Thanks! I am still using CS3 unfortunately. I have a Core i7 with GTX260 and still get some problems. I tried the Cineform trial tonight and it seems to work fine so I may have to fork out the cash to get that...
    I did notice the increase in the file sizes though...
    Thanks again for responding!
  • Shirak23 1 year ago
    Apparently you can download a free Avid codec (DnxHD) so that you can edit the video files in Premiere.
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  • Videovoid 2 years ago
    Extraordinary ! I'm trying it. More dynamic range is just one (important) chance: you can achieve a personal CC while shooting ! grading is a concept that must be actually changed by this new dimension... Thanks for tutorial
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  • mayer chalom 2 years ago
    Great entertaining tutorial. I actually prefer the the out of the box look. IF you are going to grade then yes dynamic range is important, but if you're not grading what is the point of the dynamic range?
  • Luka plus 2 years ago
    Thanks. Well, if you are not going to grade or color correct then there is little reason to use flat picture styles. I know that some use picture styles to emulate different film stock but if that isn't your cup of tea either then just use the standard Canon profiles.

    Actually there is perhaps a scenario where flat profiles would be useful for you and that's when the scene is partially under and overexposed. In the backlit examples in the video the aperture, shutter speed and ISO were identical and as you could see the default canon style produced a completely unusable picture.
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  • James Benet 2 years ago
    Great video, extremely well done. The Steve God segment was so funny it almost requires a clip by itself. Thanks for the work!
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  • mattycakes 2 years ago
    thanks buddy! you sir, are a fine looking gentleman.
  • Luka plus 2 years ago
    Thank you, and you sir/madam have very good taste :)
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  • Christian Anderson 2 years ago
    Awesome tutorial. Thanks
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  • Krishna Yalla 2 years ago
    so i am a little confused, so this is truly bridging the issue of a raw codec. But you are retaining most if not all the lost info with canon styles. Is the h.264 codec still erasing info or does it just not have enough of a high bit rate! please explain! Also is it possible that you can put up some raw footage for grading, or something that is graded more towards cinema than pushing the envelope of saturation like these examples show.
  • Luka plus 2 years ago
    No, a raw codec is still better. As far as I know the 7D uses a more or less fixed bitrate for the h264. It's roughly at 50 Mbit which is the equivalent of about 100 Mbit of REDCODE (h264 uses better albeit slower compression). REDCODE which is a lossy raw format has a bitrate of > 200 Mbit. So you get twice the information. So yes, a lot of information is still being erased. Using a flat profile expands the range from which that information is taken but you are still in the end limited by the final bandwidth set by the codec. The actual bandwidth is not bad at all, it's just that the whole thing is geared towards keeping the stuff you see and removing the stuff you don't. This means serious limitations i post, unless you flatten the picture in order to get as much information as possible visible and thus saved by the compression algorithm.

    As for an example, look at steadicems video below.
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  • tried put this superflat style on vimeo.com/​7197769

    scene 1:35 ->>>

    crushed shadows ( appled a s-curve in vegas)
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  • Noah Yuan-Vogel 2 years ago
    Hah very surprised to see you tried out my "genesis panalog4 wip" picture profile ( 3:13 ) . I never really went to the trouble of testing it much, have you used it at all? Do you find you can get much more out of the image using your custom profiles than just using neutral/faithful profiles with contrast all the way down? without bringing out lots of noise?
  • Luka plus 2 years ago
    I haven't as far as I can remember done much testing with that particular profile. Still, I'm impressed that you manged to use PSE long enough to produce a profile and not kill yourself ;)

    I'm currently using superflat, marvel's cine and a variation on the faithful profile. From what I've (unscientifically) tested I would say that custom flat profiles have about the same amount of noise as the Canon ones. You typically get much less noise after post as with the Canon profiles the underexposed regions are just black with noise. As noise has the highest information content (impossible to compress properly) it is eating most of the bandwidth of the video. Hence having black + noise or having actual details + noise shouldn't make too much difference. So even if the bitrate is constant you'll get overall more interesting parts of the data than with a non-flat one.

    Currently I'm using superflat for landscapes and in low light situations while I use Marvel's Cine profile for close-ups where I have some control over the light.

    Have you worked on any more profiles since the panalog?
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  • Stefan Duscio plus 2 years ago
    Hi Luka. Does the PSE software you're using enable you to achieve a flatter image with more dynamic range than the Picture Styles within the Canon 5d Mk2's own menus?

    For example, the first thing I did when shooting video is
    0 Sharpness
    -4 Contrast
    0 Saturation
    0 Colour Tone

    I've found this gives me a nice flat image for grading. Are you saying that the PSE software comes with further controls to achieve an image with a higher dynamic range than using those menu options in camera?

    p.s - I'm not interested in uploading specific 'looks' to the camera, just want to get the most out of it.
  • Luka plus 2 years ago
    Yes, using custom profiles you can get a much flatter picture than you can by in-camera adjustments of the Canon profiles. Fortunately you don't have to use the PSE - there are ready made picture styles that you just need to upload to the camera
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  • socaldrumsociety 2 years ago
    best , most entertaining tutorial ever.
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  • Very funny *AND* informative! ;-))
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  • Sect 2 years ago
    great tip, thankyou.
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  • Sergey Stefanovich plus 2 years ago
    Just great!
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  • Does this super flat setting turn highlight priority on? That's something I'd like to avoid if I don't need it.
  • Luka plus 2 years ago
    Nope. It's an independent setting (which I try to avoid as well).
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  • jack eisendorf 2 years ago
    thank YOU
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  • Matt Drake 2 years ago
    Are the custom user-styles you can find on the net really much different then switching the camera to "Neutral" or "Faithful"? Those modes are quite flat to begin with, and Canon recommends to use them if you want to do lots of post-colour.
  • Luka plus 2 years ago
    There's a huge difference. The Neutral and Faithful are only slight variations of the standard profile. Try the "super flat" profile and you'll see the difference.
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  • Fabian Püschel 2 years ago
    great, thanks a lot, but which is the best for grading:
    marvel or superflat?
    The problem with marvel could be the sharpness which is not at 0, so there could be some alising. superflat seems a bit to grey in the highlights?
    Thanks
  • Luka plus 2 years ago
    In theory super flat. In practice I use super flat for landscapes and Marvel's for people - especially closeups on faces. The reason is that people are much more sensitive to skin color hues than landscapes so you really have a more limited set of post processing options there. The exception is when you have extreme over and underexposure - then I use super flat.

    As for sharpness and aliasing - that should not make any difference. Aliasing occurs when the image is resized from the full 18 MP to HD resolution (~2 MP). The picture styles are applied after the image is resized so any aliasing will be there regardless of what settings you use.
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  • steve reiman 2 years ago
    nice tutorial... if the client need immediatly results... give them out of the box standard settings.... if you want maximum flexibility... "paint your cam". :)
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  • Thanks for the tutorial Luka !
    Also have a look at Stu Maschwitz article " Flatten Your 5D "
    prolost.com/​blog/​2009/​8/​3/​flatten-your-5d.html

    Cheers
    YR
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  • Maarten Toner pro 2 years ago
    Everything nice they said about this video but times three.
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  • brianluce 2 years ago
    thanks, very useful. and yes, you *are* incredibly handsome.
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  • Daydream Creative 2 years ago
    the video is great, but i hope you're a narrative filmmaker, because your humor is very subtle and hilarious. would love to see you write and direct, maybe even using this camera. great work.
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  • After testing this. I've gotta say that I strongly advise against using the superflat scene file as much as I do against using HTP. For me it introduces an unacceptable amount of noise after grading. I've also seen some test charts with it and it seems to only add an extra stop of dynamic range. What it's mainly doing is turning blacks to grey. Superflat and HTP can be extremely useful for landscapes or other situations where you can't control your lighting. But normally I light my scenes so I prefer not to use it..
  • Luka plus 2 years ago
    I measured it to about 2-3 stops depending on the light (using the MATLAB image toolbox). As for noise, I can't say - I haven't measured it.

    In essence I agree with you though that controlled lighting is always preferable. When you have full control over the exposure, you don't need to extend the dynamic range.
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  • Josh Pabst 2 years ago
    hilarious; brilliant; fantastic; helpful... the best video I've sat through online in months...
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  • www.camverleih.de 2 years ago
    Really good and nice tutorial, but you grading itself is horrible. Already the still image which is shown above is completely bad and technically wrong, cause the original shows structures in the sky, but the graded shows 100% white without any information. You simply destroyed the picture. That is not the way that grading should work, grading should increase the visible quality and not decrease it. The rest of the pics are quite euqal to this, you always drop information instead of using it.

    Anyway, the tutorial is nice.
  • Luka plus 2 years ago
    Well, the first example shows the difference between tha flat and the standard profile. Canon's profile clips the whites and you lose information. The point of using a flat picture style is to get the maximum information. The point of grading is to get the look that you want - regardless of information content. There are no rules to grading - it's just about getting a specific look.
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  • Russell John plus 2 years ago
    Can anybody confirm if the picture styles are just turning blacks to greys or if it's really increasing dynamic range?
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  • Ryan Sutton plus 2 years ago
    Thanks ! This was an awesome straight forward way to showing this ! Thanks ! Ryan
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  • Sheldon Charron 2 years ago
    That was awesome! I'm still smiling. Super informative yet had me smirking all the way through. The left side of my brain was ingesting the tech and going, "Cool!" The right side was off in some giggle fest and fighting the other side for my facial muscles. I think my eyebrows were scrunched in deep thought but my lips had a big smirk! Great job on the vid. You rock!
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  • Steve Staffan plus 2 years ago
    What do you suggest to shoot in dark places like a nightclub?
  • Justin Heaney plus 2 years ago
    I just shot in a club this weekend. The 7D performed incredibly well.
    I am in PAL land & found myself shooting between 2000 & 4000 ISO @ 50 shutter & wide open 1.4-2.8.
    When pumping up the mids in post, it is incredible how much detail is in there (albeit noisy), but not awful noise, kinda like grainy film. I love this camera.
  • Alexis Mendez 9 months ago
    Was your club shoot on the 7D by any chance?
    Thanks
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  • Gutsy Heron 2 years ago
    laughed and learned a lot. thx man!

    In the last red centre podcast they've speculated about the possibility of getting the RAWvideo from the 7D via usb cable as the usb is fast enough to transfer the hugh amount of data. Do you think this could be possible?

    I've read that the 5D firmware hacker got a 7D... lets keep our fingers crossed.

    thx again for the video.
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  • craig 2 years ago
    Cant thank you enough!!! for sharing this valuable with this 5d/7d community. And taking the time to make the info straight forward and Very entertaining. One question If you dont mind . I use edius 5 . And I have been doing simple Color correction with the basic picture style . Now that I downloaded these other advanced flat styles, etc Do I have to start more advance color correction like using the vector scope ? any tips or ideas ?
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  • Luka, you're in Stockholm.
    Please check out these guys:
    syndicate.se/​Default.aspx?Id=299

    It would be too amazing to have real 4:4:4
  • Luka plus 2 years ago
    Thanks for the info. It does look interesting but I think there are too many drawbacks to the technique. First of all you lose LCD output and furthermore you get a drop in resolution and you get an interlaced signal. Still, it's great that people are experimenting with stuff like that.
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  • Paul Jay 2 years ago
    Canon has prioritized....!!! My favorite sentence.
    LOL
    Very funny & Very informative.
    Thanks!
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  • Aaron Weiss 2 years ago
    This video rocks. I'm gonna tell two friends;) and they'll tell two friends, and they'll tell two friends.....
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  • Christian Schmeer plus 2 years ago
    thanks for the tutorial! are there any good video tutorials for doing grading in final cut pro?
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