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« on: 11 April 2010, 03:30:AM »

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/3569743/Polish-president-95-others-die-in-Russia-plane-crash
It's the truly innocent people killed in this crash for whom I feel sorry and for whose families I grieve.  Kaczynski - his time on Earth is over; his legacy of hatred and bigotry shall linger.  Arsehole.  I hope he suffered.  Is that cruel of me?  I don't care.
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« Reply #1 on: 11 April 2010, 04:17:AM »

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/3569743/Polish-president-95-others-die-in-Russia-plane-crash
It's the truly innocent people killed in this crash for whom I feel sorry and for whose families I grieve.  Kaczynski - his time on Earth is over; his legacy of hatred and bigotry shall linger.  Arsehole.  I hope he suffered.  Is that cruel of me?  I don't care.


Yes AJ, it means you're the absolute arsehole.
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« Reply #2 on: 11 April 2010, 08:26:AM »

I think his good points for opposing the communists for 20 years outweighs his bad points, ie if you were gay in socialist Poland and spoke out against the government you would probably be tortured or killed; if you are gay in capitalist Poland and are speaking out against the government you would probably be running for Parliament.

Real irony (? if the right usage?) is that all on board were flying to Katyn to commemorate the 70th anniversary of the communists mass executing about a third of the business, intellectual, and political elite of pre-WWII Poland (the Nazis summarily executed the other third).
And many of those on board were the business, intellectual, and political elite in today's Poland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Polish_Air_Force_Tu-154_crash

The plane was also carrying the governor of Poland's central bank, Slawomir Skrzypek, and many senior officers in the armed forces.
Chief of staff General Franciszek Gagor and Major General Bronislaw, head of operational forces, were killed in the crash alongside the head of land forces, the air force commander, the special forces chief and the navy vice-admiral.
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« Reply #3 on: 11 April 2010, 08:54:AM »

Just goes to show one shouldnt put all their eggs in one basket.
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« Reply #4 on: 11 April 2010, 10:07:AM »

Just goes to show one shouldnt put all their eggs in one basket.
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« Reply #5 on: 11 April 2010, 11:29:AM »

So what made this guy so evil?
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« Reply #6 on: 11 April 2010, 12:50:PM »

This will give you some insight Ozman.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3768.html/

Homophobic he may have been, but dancing on his grave because he and many others died in a terrible tragedy is just....  Shocked
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« Reply #7 on: 11 April 2010, 01:07:PM »

Homophobic he may have been, but dancing on his grave because he and many others died in a terrible tragedy is just....  Shocked

I agree, very much so.
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« Reply #8 on: 11 April 2010, 02:57:PM »

He did ban two Warsaw Pride marches (2004/5) and was a
fairly hardline conservative Catholic.

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« Reply #9 on: 11 April 2010, 03:05:PM »

He did ban two Warsaw Pride marches (2004/5) and was a
fairly hardline conservative Catholic.

Craig Wacko

Not saying he was perfect, not by a long shot, but he was far from an evil monster.
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« Reply #10 on: 11 April 2010, 08:18:PM »

It's the truly innocent people killed in this crash for whom I feel sorry and for whose families I grieve.  Kaczynski - his time on Earth is over; his legacy of hatred and bigotry shall linger.  Arsehole.  I hope he suffered.  Is that cruel of me?  I don't care.

Yes, it is cruel of you.  His ideology may have not matched your own, however hoping that he suffered at his moment of death is simply immature, kneejerk emotionality at work.  Poland as a nation has never had it easy, and its way forward from this day will now be doubly difficult, given that many of its government, religious and defence leaders have perished.  I would advise some respect.  It's very easy for us to sit in sunny Australasia and cluck our tongues, however if you had even a shred of knowledge of Polish history (my own has largely been garnered from Polish colleagues and friends), you'd probably think again.
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« Reply #11 on: 11 April 2010, 08:28:PM »


The plane crash that killed the homophobic Polish President Lech Kaczynski has also claimed the life of Izabela Jaruga-Nowacka, one of the most outspoken advocates for LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered) rights in Poland.

Jaruga-Nowacka served as Poland's deputy prime minister between 2004 and 2005 and was a vocal critic of the homophobic policies and pronouncements of the country's late president.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/04/10/gay-rights-advocating-former-polish-deputy-pm-among-dead-in-plane-crash/
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« Reply #12 on: 11 April 2010, 09:36:PM »

Did his views on gay people suck? Certainly. Did he deserve to die for them? Certainly not.

It's pretty horrific for Poland, and also quite foolish of them to have basically their entire set of leaders and advisors on one plane, going to mess up their government for a while.
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« Reply #13 on: 11 April 2010, 11:13:PM »

Kaczynski is acclaimed as a hero in almost every quarter, even if you disagree with his views on "morality" (i.e. homosexuality, abortion, communist reconciliation).  A few cursory readings will show you that he opposed the socialist regime with every thought and action as a pro-democracy and free trade union activist, even under conditions of great peril for two decades  --- when the commie police were shooting striking workers, the Russians threatening to invade, the army running over activists in tanks, and secret police trying to liquidate opponents in "accidents".

To repeat, what he achieved after 20 years now enables LGBT activists to campaign for their equality rights without the fear of being shot at, invaded, run over or liquidated.  The latter couldn't happen without the former.
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« Reply #14 on: 11 April 2010, 11:28:PM »

I hope he suffered.  Is that cruel of me?  I don't care.

Yep, mindblowingly so...ick ick
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