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« Reply #45 on: 28 March 2009, 08:24:PM »

Yes that would be a hell of a nightmare for this country. The number of poor who would die because of thier policies would be huge. They would sell everything and destroy this country.

Thank God they will be gone soon.

Dead Kennedys sang a song called
KIll the poor

great track

<a href="https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/webarchive/wayback/20090408110743/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWO4JxM3nDc" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWO4JxM3nDc</a>
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« Reply #46 on: 28 March 2009, 10:25:PM »

National Anthem for the Tories ;0)
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« Reply #47 on: 28 March 2009, 10:43:PM »

National Anthem for the Tories ;0)

There were others LOL

Exploited-hey maggie ya cu.t

Dead kennedys- kinky sex makes the world go round__purported to be between maggie and reagan- sex hotline but it was all about killing people..... ghahahhahahahahahahahahah

nazi punks fuck off


i have all these still on vinyl and man r they worth a paket Tongue
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« Reply #48 on: Today at 07:34 PM »

I'm sorry Mark Anthony:  Maggie Thatcher did not reconstruct British Society.  I dont know where you got that from.  Between 1968 and 1997 only 3 peers were ever elevated with voting rights to the House of Lords.  And they were created largely during the Thatcher government.  She was not averse to tradition.  What she did was to challenge working class dogma.  But then, every government since Lloyd George has done the same thing.  She was successful because she deconstructed the traditional base of production: coal, shipbuilding and port good handling.  She made no attempt to reconstruct the banking and finance sector a major economic entity in itself.  (This didnt happen until the late 1990s under Blair) Anyone in 90s UK would know this because banking was still conducted under double entry bookkeeping and the electronic transfers and transactions was almost unheard of.  In fact it is still dogged with old fashion paper trails for many transactions.  All you have to do is ask a returned kiwi how he or she is doing, trying to transfer funds back to NZ!

The only reason why she was in power for so long was because of two lucky wins:  A contract to build big fuck off nuclear power submarines, and oil in the north atlantic.  I might add she won undying popularity for her war against Argentina, but as the Bush clan and Reagan learnt: a war is always good for winning another election.

In addition, British Labour party was a major asset to her winning streak.  They were run by mostly men who were there when people like Clement Atlee was in charge.  A kind of austere northerner penchant for grin and bear.  These men - Harold Wilson, and Lord Carrington to name a few - believed social class in the UK was a stumbling block to economic prosperity.  Even Ted Heath - a conservative PM thought similarly.

What Thatcher did was to remove their base of support and re-emphasise tradition.  Removing the power of the unions by removing the market in coal and shipbuilding not only reduced economic dependency but also caused the demise of unity in the cities.  Former coalworkers had to reconfigure their lives which lead to disintegration in unity at a working class level.  But nothing has really changed.  Apart from the fact that those former coalworkers are on a pension and or UB40.  The UK is still supporting an economic marketplace that is as traditional as the Royal Family: Finance, Agriculture, Tourism.  Where is the Thatcher legacy?  In rejuvenating what has been a tradition.
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« Reply #49 on: Today at 08:54 PM »

What utter rubbish.....quite where you get that nonsense from is anyone's guess.....

Thatcher put into effect the most radical social revolution since 1945.....there is no question of that.............dealing with the unions was but a small part of the process...and it was the electorate that voted for her, that what happens in democracices....they warmed to her style of politics and no nonsense approach....

And what utter nonsense to suggest that Labour was run by Atlee hacks.....Neil Kinnock was the leader during most of the Thatcher years and he and his supporters...including the beloved Bryan Gould of NZ, to say nothing of Blair and Smith....were mere babes in swaddling clothes when Clement Atlee was PM.....Labour imploded and the Social Democratic Party was formed...taking with it four potential  Labour leaders and PMs......and a significant proportion of the middle class vote

Labour was unelectable because of it's neo-Marxist politics which were as much out of tune with the British working class as they were with the Soviet Union.  Blowing the tired old trade unionist trumpet just did not cut it any longer....

And I suggest you do a little homework, sometimes it helps,  Lord Carrington (Peter) was a Tory grandee....Foreign Secretary during the Falklands War.....and junior MP during the Neville Chamberlain adminsitration....

Of course you might have be thinking of Denis Healey, or Wegewood Benn or Peter Shore or even Manny Shinwell, if it is tired old socialists you were trying to think of.....

Transferring funds? I manage thanks very much, tax free.....and have encountered no problems at all...so where is the problem? Or am I able to transfer funds with no problems because I am not a Kiwi?
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« Reply #50 on: Today at 10:06 PM »

I stand corrected about Carrington I realised he was Conservative Foreign Secretary.  I was thinking of Callahan. But you still havent supported your argument by defining what she did.  You say she put in radical social reform......what exactly was it?  Apart from adding 3 new voting peers to the House of Lords.....a traditional structure......what else did she do?  Apart from during her time as Minister of Education removing milk from schools, dubbing her as thatcher thatcher milk snatcher.....tell me what else did she do that I havent covered?

1. She closed down coalmines

2. She closed down ship building yards

3. She started a war with Argentina.
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« Reply #51 on: Today at 10:12 PM »

3. She started a war with Argentina.
One could argue that Argentina started a war with her...
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« Reply #52 on: Today at 10:26 PM »

One could argue that Argentina started a war with her...

Indeed if it were arguable.  When it was put under the Spanish flag in 1810 due to its proximity to its other possession - Argentina - it would naturally transfer to whomever was in control of Argentina.  The precedence for this is New Zealand.
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« Reply #53 on: Today at 10:31 PM »

Regardless of it's history, it was accepted as British Overseas Territory at the time Argentina invaded it.

Sure there was possibly unfairness in the past - but Argentina invaded the Falkland Islands - internationally recognised as British Territory, and started the Falkland War.
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« Reply #54 on: Today at 10:51 PM »

Regardless of it's history, it was accepted as British Overseas Territory at the time Argentina invaded it.

Sure there was possibly unfairness in the past - but Argentina invaded the Falkland Islands - internationally recognised as British Territory, and started the Falkland War.


Yes the same could be said of Malta or Northern Ireland or Hong Kong.....or.......even.......the Palestine.   When Thatcher went to war with Iceland.....sorry went into a policing engagement with Iceland.......what was that again?
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